Also two Saheeh reports are contradicting each other: One the one hand, they are resting at al Hijr, while on the other hand it is said that they didnt rest at all and kept riding away faster from Hijr. [18], On the eve of the Rashidun Caliphate's conquest of the Levant, 634 AD, Syria's population mainly spoke Aramaic; Greek was the official language of administration. They were a little more inquisitive (at least at first). Thamud were destroyed Change). The story of musa (muses) a.s. _ Magic and Illusi Suhih Muslim _ Book of "End of the World", Who is Musa a.s. (Moses) ? The hadith reports the prophet (pbuh) as having passed Median Saleh and described the ruins as their dwellings referring to the Thamud. In light of these points, in my opinion the only reasonable conclusion is one of the following: 1) That the dwellings of Thamud were destroyed some time between The Expedition of Tabuk and today. [13] Robath is likely the ancient name of modern al-Ruwfa. The earliest abundant references for Thamud in our literary sources are in relation to the Nabataean empire a large Arab kingdom encompassing parts of modern Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia (including the Hejaz, the area containing Mecca and Medina) and even parts of Sinai. Obviously, the Thamud were much more advanced technologically than the Aad. But the shriek seized them at early morning. If anyone has evidence of at least one dead body having been found in the recesses, Im open to change my mind. [25], Some Islamic sources claim that the Banu Thaqif tribe, an Arab tribe from Ta'if in the period of Muhammad, was descended from a survivor of the Thamud (sometimes a slave of Salih). [13] Adnanites are believed to be the descendants of Ishmael through Adnan but the traditional Adnanite lineage doesn't match the biblical line exactly. Again the burden of proof is on us that this was the case. The Thamud were scientists. Assalamualaikum I dont believe 27:50-53 is necessarily referring to their houses existing at the time of the Prophet SAW when they tell us to behold the sign therein. It makes it specific but is not related to time. [20] The Arabs of the caliphate accommodated many new tribes in isolated areas to avoid conflict with the locals; caliph Uthman ordered his governor, Muawiyah I, to settle the new tribes away from the original population. The means of God's destruction of Thamud include a thunderbolt, a storm, a shout, and an earthquake. God sent Salih to warn them, then after they ignored him and murdered a she-camel that God sent, He killed them and left only Salih and those who followed him alive. They mistreated the lower classes and worshiped others besides Allah. Pickthall And (the tribes of) A'ad and Thamud! . 10.can al hijr be somewhere else like al ula Under the Umayyad Caliphate, Arabic became the official language in Egypt rather than Coptic or Greek. This implies that the carvings in Madain Saleh (which in fact date to the first century CE) are not from the Thamudians, but rather their successors many centuries later in the same area. And indeed (their destruction) is clearly apparent to you from their (ruined) dwellings. Wadi al-Qura, refer to the article above. 12. The people of Noah, when they denied the Messengers, We drowned them and made them a sign for people We have prepared for wrongdoers a painful punishment and Ad, Thamud, the companions of the well, and many generations between them. If they were made for dead bodies, it stands to reason that we should find at least one dead body in them. The Middle verse in chapter (25) of the Noble Quran talks about Noah's people, Ad (the people of the prophet Hud) and Thamud (the people of the prophet Salih). As Dost aptly observes, thedescription [of Aad and Thamud] in the Qurn is the sum of historical memory and topographical observations modeled on the familiar configuration of perished peoples, (This is part of series on Arabia. Question:What is the correct explanation for the P --* _ . 'Ad and Thamud are closely connected by both Islamic and pre-Islamic sources. The coloring of (sedentary culture) established itself firmly. They became two parties quarreling with each other. 5. JazakAllah. JazakAllah, Thats fine I know that is just the way some people talk I talk to the point because Im using a mobile so I have to keep as short as possible my problem with the verse was normally when it says travel the land or as such its talking about nations close and the nations close to the Arabs were ad and thamud so some say that this verse is saying the quran thinks these buildings were built by thamud but we know they were built by the nabtions not thamud but we know the quran is not wrong so how do we explain that verse jazzakkallah because it makes it sound like that is this verse speaking in the present tense or past like tilka arabic and lam arabic jazzakkallah thanks for the help, Its like the same problem with 40:21 40:82 it sounds like thamud and pointing to these tombs etc but we know it cant be so how do we explain this as well jazzakkallah, And 27:52 because people say this sounds like it as well the kawatan arabic means empty so it sounds like it saying these tombs as well but it is mainly 28:58 I have the problem with jazzakkallah. The tribes of Arabia descend from either one of the two Arab ancestors, Adnan or Qahtan. Edomites, Lihyanites and Nabateans inherited this skill? In my research, I did discover that the tombs do contain pre-Nabatean inscriptions. Ad and Thamud were two great civilizations destroyed by God due to their excessive wickedness. The Aad and Thamud were both located in the northwestern part of modern day Saudi Arabia near the border of Jordan. The Aad and Thamud were both located in the northwestern part of modern day Saudi Arabia near the border of Jordan. p.190. Then, it was not Allah Who caused them any wrong; they . A. Yusuf Ali wrote: The Thamud people were destroyed by a dreadful earthquake which threw them prone on the ground and buried them with their houses and their fine buildings., A terrible earthquake came and buried the people [of Thamud] and destroyed their boasted civilization. But the Thamud let their education and knowledge go to their heads. There are some scholars who say a mountain split apart and the camel walked out. What is uncovered thus far reveal that the structures are not dwellings, but tombs. There is a place called Khyber at Pakistan/Afghanistan border but that is NOT the Khyber of Madina. The Edomites and Thamud And it is We who were the inheritors. [27] Both tribes are of great reputed antiquity and, according to traditional Arab genealogists, are two of the four ba 'ida, or extinct tribes. Qur'an and Hadith on Thamud and their Dwellings Abu Rahma / March 22, 2016 It is argued that the Qur'an and the Prophet () made an error in history and facts [1]. Jazak Allah, Ok thanks jazzakkallah that about it thanks but out of the 8 theorys I put down before witch one would you pick to be the best interpretation thanks and when you say (archaic) do you mean that are civilization is better then the people of AD relics or the other way round that there relics are better than are houses or do you just mean there relics are better then the mekkahans houses and madian houses etc I didnt really understand you by that bit but thanks for your helping jazzakkallah. I do understand why most Christians are unaware of the fine details interspersed within the ponderous and drawn-out book. [24] The major migration to the region by Arab tribes was in the 11th century when the tribes of Banu Hilal and Banu Sulaym, along with others, were sent by the Fatimids to defeat a Berber rebellion and then settle in the Maghreb. They used to carve in the past and their present structure is not described in this Ayah. So Ill let that one go for another article and focus on the main discussion, the Aad and Thamud. 1. His people came after Ad, and they were known as Thamud. It is not a revealed book any more and hence, we are not bound to believe in a few thousand year old civilization our scriptures do not mention any such thing. Thus, the possibility exists that the Edomites copied the mountainous dwellings of the Thamud, just as the Nabateans may have copiedor took over the architectural style of the Edomites or the Thamud and added their own flavor. The terror you inspire The same can be said about 7:84 where Allah SWT is telling us to SEE the end of Sodom and Gomorrah. Are you telling us to change our religion from our fathers relgion? [Quran11:6168(Abdel Haleem)], The Islamic exegetical tradition adds detail to the Quran's account. They did worship Allah, which Ill prove soon. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Quran and Hadith on Thamud and their Dwellings, The Issue of the Qurans Teaching on Islamic Monotheism. What are the Sunnahs and etiquettes that we should >>> , - ?____ Fatwa . Allah sent the Prophet Hud to give the Aad the message of Islam. Furthermore, their prophets, Hud and Salih, are often considered two fo the four Arab prophets that Allah sent to mankind. Follow the great majority of Muslims today? [14] The Thamd in question were Roman auxiliary troops, as the inscription states explicitly: For the well-being of the rulers of the whole world Marcus Aurelius Anthoninus and Lucius Aurelius Verus, who are the conquerors of the Armenians. However, as the Christians have proposed an objection to the notion of any other people carving structures in hills and mountains prior to the Nabateans, this leaves the Christians with the following options: (1). An envoy was sent to the nations to say, [Quran 27:45]. So away with Thamud! The Thamud (Arabic: , romanized:amd) were an ancient Arabian tribe or tribal confederation[1] that occupied the northwestern Arabian peninsula between the late-eighth century BCE, when they are attested in Assyrian sources, and the fifth century CE, when they served as Roman auxiliaries. [15:80-84], , Abdullah b. Its almost impossible to know for certain that the many tombs with Nabatean inscriptions are indeed constructed by them, especially when we know that only 15% of the area in Petra has been excavated and examined. 7. The Bible makes a claim that a particular time in history, a people who lived in in the kingdom of EdomEdomites predate the Nabateans or the current historically accepted date of the structures carved from the mountainscarved out structures in the hills and mountains. In the worst cases, they may even go so far as to challenge Allah. Missionaries and polemicists seize upon the error of this folklore as an alleged example of the error of the Quran, but in reality, this is not the case. Qur'anic accounts of Salih always follow those of Hud. The Meaning of La Ilaha Illa Allah (Tawheed): What is Islam? It becomes rather implausible that a people who a had a law against building a house, would then start constructing breathtakingly massive structures from the rocks of the mountains themselves. This is the temple that was built by the tribal unit of Thamud, the leaders of their unit, so that it might be established by their hands and be their place of veneration for ever7. Yes, I understood but if you read my comment, youll see that this problem is addressed. 2. The glorious Qur'an considered the people of 'Ad after Nuh (a); when it says, "and that it is He who destroyed the former 'Ad", "The former 'Ad" were the people of Prophet Hud (a) who lived after the people of Nuh (a) and before the people of Thamud. Large numbers of Bani Rasheed are also found on the Arabian Peninsula. If we try to discuss the lineage of the Arabs well be here forever. Summary: The cravings that Quran says were done by Thamud were in Wad l-Qura. Whereas the people who did cravings in al-Hijr were Nabateans. Point by Ismail about the order of the messengers from earliest to latest also is something to ponder over and maybe the people of the Hijr are different from the Thamud. So, basically during the time of the Prophet (), their remains were not on the surface and only some of them were visible. Is Thamud mentioned in the Bible? Encyclopaedia Britannica's editors oversee subject areas in which they have extensive knowledge, whether from years of experience gained by working on that content or via study for an advanced degree. I have yet to find a shred of evidence of a dead body that was placed in any of the recesses in the walls. Archeologists have put these ruins from the first century BCE and the first century CE. (LogOut/ Like the people of Ad, they erected huge buildings on the plains and hewed beautiful homes out of the hills. The ruins were identified by the Prophet (s) as belonging to those who wronged themselves, without ascribing them to the very first tribe of Thamud. Have you not considered how your Lord dealt with Aad; of Iram of the lofty pillars? (Quran 89:6-7). These Arab tribes have played a role in the demographic changes in the Arab world through the increase of the Arab population,[8] as well as the ethnic, cultural, linguistic, and genetic Arabization of the Levant and North Africa.[9]. According to the Quran, they were hit by a blast that destroyed them. They were so proud of their accomplishments, that they built huge castles, palaces, and other structures as symbols of their power. However, while I agree that these two groups are certainly predecessors to modern Arabs, Im not convinced that Hud, Salih, Shuayb, and Ismail were actually Arabs.. Al-ijr, Saudi Arabia: ancient Thamd house, This article was most recently revised and updated by. The hadiths show that there were wells present in that particular spot attributed to the Thamud. But the fact that they spitefully killed an animal that had done them no harm and for no good reason is proof and a sign of their evil. In other words either the evidence no longer exists (no problem) or Thamudic dwellings in North West Arabia are yet to be discovered. They mixed with the people of Qahtan and descendants of Prophet Abraham pbuh. A Warning to the Disbelievers and a Reminder of the Story of `Ad and Thamud. Arab genealogical tradition. And their responses reflected their advancement in knowledge. Let me explain who they are People Aad, and they are said to be called Aad by the name of their father, an extinct Arab tribe mentioned in the Qur'an . So youd then say that the buildings at Madain Salih were indeed originally Thamudic and then after that built upon by other nations? In addition, when the verses talk about Verily there is a sign in this, it doesnt necessarily mean that we have to see the sign i.e. Firstly, Ashab al-Hijr seem to be Thamud (15:80-85) because although this is the only time they are called this name, commentators unanimously agree that they are Thamud. The world is a prison-house for a believer and Par ()_ (): _ _____Terminology of Hadith. 15:75 can also be interpreted as a HISTORICAL sign/reminder when referring to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. These Thamud built gigantic castles, hundreds of feet high, and they literally carved them right into the sides of mountains. Arabian tradition holds that the Thamud kingdom was destroyed by God. These prefixes ignored in the alphabetical ordering: Al, Al-Bu, Albu, Banu. Before sending the punishment on them, Allah sent two prophets to these nations. The word Thamud appears in the Annals of the Assyrian king Sargon II (r. 722705 BCE), inscribed at Dur-Sharrukin. These things had huge doors, elaborate engravings, complex designs, and must have been an amazing sight in their time. It mentions the elusive city of Iram (mentioned in the above Quranic verse), and reads May Abdallhi son of Atmo be remembered for all time before Allt, the goddess of Iram.. In Umayya's account, there is no Salih. 74], , And certainly did the companions of Thamud deny the messengers. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. 2) The dwellings of Thamud are elsewhere in the valley of Hijr. Some have shelves carved into the rock; one has a large room, possibly big enough to house a council. Rather, it tells us to look at the region in which Thamud had existed as well as the many generations after them. When God permitted the prophet to do this, some of the tribesmen followed Salih, while many powerful leaders continued to oppose him. Im trying to understand the arabic like why do some arabic words have al before some words when we dont use them like in verse 2:36 (But Satan caused both of them to deflect from obeying Our command by tempting them to the tree and brought them out of the state they were in, and We said: Get down all of you; henceforth, each of you is an enemy of the other,50 and on earth you shall have your abode and your livelihood for an appointed time.) in this verse in arabic it says al Shatan why doesnt just say satan instead of if translated the satan because that would sound weird (41:13) They may have even intermingled to the point of losing any distinction along ethnic lines as there is no good reason or evidence to preclude the idea that the Thamud also ventured and lived in Petra and the surrounding areas. Here is how their argument goes: The Quran describes prophet called Salih ( ), who lived in the Thamud tribe. Allah says: `Say, O Muhammad, to these idolators who disbelieve in the message of truth that you have brought: If you turn away from that which I have brought to you from Allah, then I warn you of the punishment of Allah like the . They felt that their habitations would, somehow, secure them from destruction. 4. As for the conclusion that Ashab al-Hijr were not Thamud, I think this is rather unwarranted. Having failed to save his people, Salih warned that they would be destroyed after three days. [7][8] In a somewhat muddled passage, Pliny the Elder, a Roman historian of the first century CE, appears to locate the Thamd at the unidentified inland town of "Baclanaza". Also you said 89:9 means a valley is not Madain al saleh a vally or is it not Assalamualaikum the ruined abandoned wells may possible be referring to those belonging to the People of Ar-Rass (i.e. They also could have written inscriptions on the many structures that already existed. They were 6 meters tall! Here you can read various translations of verse 38. They were elites. Having similar names doesnt mean much [22], A poem attributed to Umayya ibn Abi--alt, a Meccan contemporary of Muhammad who refused to accept Islam, contains a reference to the camel and Thamud. 3 Southern Europe. where they used to live. A number of them branched out, which later became independent tribes (sub-tribes). The Qurn mentions the Thamd as examples of the transitoriness of worldly power. Nothing but solid rock underlies the rest of the facades. However, not all of them were destroyed; Salih and hisfollowers continued to live on. Abdullah ibn Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, reported: . Certain objections can and may arise with the above narrative. They may have later acquired Hellenistic techniques and applied them on their structures. So Allah sent a camel with the simple command: Dont harm her. Badawi writes: [li] and his followers left the doomed area just before Gods punishment befell them. So proceed through the earth and observe how was the end of the deniers. (Quran 16:36). Both groups of people were located on the Arabian Peninsula. The Thamud demanded and received a sign from Allah. Because were left with no records which can help in our archeological inquiry, even dating the structures becomes a difficult, and perhaps, an impossible task. Nabateans replaced them and built on them/around them, 4. The following commentary on the verses from Obadiah, found in biblestudytools.com, is rather revealing. ___ : __ >> :____ Fatwa __ . There existed a nation called the Edomites. Though you build your nest as high as the eagles, We have to be open to the idea that a person living thousands of years ago will have a different concept of a place of dwelling than we, in the 21st century, do. According to Dr. Nehme, a senior research scientist at the French National Center for Scientific Research, the Nabateans have left us with almost no written material that would shed any light on their origins or even daily affairs. I think some more research is needed to establish where the ruins are that are clearly mentioned in the Tabuk expedition hadith. Corrections? We cannot preclude the notion that structures that are completely different from what has been found so far, will be found in the future. Even though they built great sculptures, they werent extremely sophistated people. Theyre mentioned in 25:38 and 50:12. Some people think petra was thamud do you think so jazzakkallah, But the main question for me is the first one number 1 the rest are just side questions but number 1 is the main one for me what I would like a detailed response the rest are more of yes or no qustions jazzakkallah sorry to keep bothering you, But I do agree with your article its just getting more information thats all jazzakkallah so I know how to answer this question jazzakkallah, This is part of qustion 4 do you think 27:52 is talking about there dwellings in the mountions or on the plains or both and does 27:52 mean there dwellings collapsed fallen because if yes 89:9 makes it sound like it is standing that there are more of the buildings showing then just partially but more showing of the buildings so how do we explain this jazzakkallah, Sorry for them being spaced out just put them together but 8. also if there buildings were very big there had to be more left of the buildings remains in the time of the prophet then just partially shouldnt there or not because if they were big there should of been more left or not do you think jazzakkallah how would we explain this jazzakkallah but like I said question 1 is the main one, 9. Saudi Arabia, in terms of archaeology, is really untouched. "[22] The stone constructions of Hegra are actually mostly from the Nabataean period, especially the first century CE. - - * - He replaced the people of the Flood with the Aad and then replaced the Aad with the Thamud. And as for Thamud, We showed them the path of truth but they preferred blindness to guidance; so the Sa`iqah of disgracing torment seized them because of what they used to earn. 15. This generally means that despite very weak appearance now they one were very well established from the remanats. Thus, from the aforementioned verses we have gleaned the following: 1. But they hamstrung it, so he said, "Enjoy life for another three days: this warning will not prove false." The sentence, This structure is not only large enough and a couple more contained links. I will post the links here for now. 3) The tombs were in fact built by Thamud as houses and the Nabateans simply inscribed them later. Yes both Ad and thamud left dwelling places as opposed to some other Nations mentioned in the Quran but again the reference is generic to many other Nations not mentioned in the book that came to other parts of the world etc. I feel there may be some misconception about how to view Quran. Ignore the entire thing and continue to spread their deception and lies. They boasted of their physical strength, and power; they thought that this would protect them from Allh's punishment. I would be interested in your response to my other points as well. Nabateans replaced them and built on them/around them For the town in Yemen, see, sfn error: no target: CITEREFEph'al1984 (, "Al-Hijr Archaeological Site (Madin Slih)", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thamud&oldid=1132970365, This page was last edited on 11 January 2023, at 16:00. You have no god other than Him. Have not invested any considerable time investigating the actual archeological claims. Are these tourist sites now identified at Madian Saleh the same as those we see discussed in the saheeh ahadith during the Tabuk expedition or is that a different location because these sites are identified as built by Nabataens and not Thamud and are considered much later than Thamud people (if we consider the finds to be absolutely authentic that these are Nabataens who built them. Their responses, while snarky, were fairly simple. As menitoned earlier, the Aad were a strong, brutish, and conquering people. http://www.imgrum.org/media/1483126817820752683_724804649 Chapter___ MUSLIMS ARE FUNDAMENTALISTS AND TERRORI Chapter___ Human Embryonic Development __ Qur'an a Atowar Rahman Salafi _ Atowar Rahman Salafi | atow Suhih Bukhari_ Book of "End of the World". Theres no real reason to mention them lastly, except they came after al-Rass and they are also included in this chronological order as well. Assalamualaikum thnx for the link. MALIK'S MUWATTA, BOOK 9: Shortening the Prayer || __ - . (9:70) Have they not heard the accounts of those who came before them [77] - of the people of Noah and 'Ad and Thamud, and the people of Abraham and the dwellers of Madyan (Midian), and the cities that were overturned? Furthermore, there is also proof that they had some elements of true Islam in their faith. Because inscriptions cannot be relied upon with 100 percent certainty, its possible that the inscriptions are Nabatean while the structures are not. or, if he should, he can never take it, or take me from hence, conquer and subdue me. It is argued that the Quran and the Prophet () made an error in history and facts[1]. The exact details of their faith are not mentioned much in the Quran, but it was definitely something that was practiced by most of the society. The Story of The Aad And The Thamud Nation_ Qur'an __ | _ Dua for Relief Distress, Laziness, Debts : Suhih Muslim_ Book of General Behaviour_ Kitab al Suhih Muslim_ The Book of Destiny (KITAB-UL-QADR) Chapter___ Raising Index Finger in Tashahhud. Accordingly, the Thamud were a powerful and idolatrous tribe living in Hegra, now called Madin li, the Cities of liin northwestern Arabia. This is what the Sovereign LORD says about Edom They write new content and verify and edit content received from contributors. The above article contained links to images which do not show up in here after I copied and pasted them from my ms word. They are often discussed when Allah is directing our attention to people who disobeyed Him and were punished as a result. 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